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Brodie

Ben - is there a difference between burning out and feeling so unsupported, disrespected and downright ‘pissed off' that you just can't go on, so you drop out?

ben

thanks Brodie
I have always assumed the phrase ‘burn out’ referred to over work and sheer volume of work. Now I know plenty of youth workers who work hard, some very hard but they don’t seem to ‘burn out’ with regard to the amount of work they do. If we include being unsupported under the heading of ‘burn out’ then I know lots who have burned out!
Thanks for the insight.

Tim Butt

My take on things is that there are too many youthworkers who aren't. What I mean is, there seems to be a popular feeling amongst church leaders and church members in general that if you're under 35 you should be involved in either/both kidswork or youthwork. What's more, there's an accompanying assumption that fulfilling this expectation serves as a qualification for when you've grown up (are closer to 40 than you ever wanted to be!) and so are 'ready' to do 'church leadership proper'. It sucks!
I'm 27 and definitely not called to be a youthworker, but do feel called to church leadership. I recently wrote, "I greatly respect the specific God-given calling of those who are youthworkers and recognise that that is not a calling I own."
Taking this right back to your original point, Ben, my view is that expectations are screwed and so youthworkers get chewed up and spat out at will. I'm sorry.

Ling

I never get involved in church leadership, but i always participate in most activities of the church..

Feeling of being'Pissed off' by the 'adults' is one reason why they don't want to involve in church leadership. It happens here

BenMizen

Ben this blog entry is superb. There is a lot of work to be done in the area of management, communication and expectations between church-based youth workers and church leaders.

The journey may be a difficult one as people will have to listen to each other. I have blogged about your entry here: http://d3parture.blogspot.com/2005/05/worth-reading.html

I think that many churches will dabble with youth work and projects and avoid discipleship (a process of growing leaders some might argue). If churches took discipleship seriously would there be less conflict in vision and more understanding of shared goals? Discipleship also has inbuilt support structures and is about learning in humility rather than "bums on seats".

I like your point about maximising investment. It strikes me as a bit of a con that churches can be so shrewd about returns on youth work and actually not worry about money being poured into flower guilds and refurbishments. If churches really believe that young people are our future ("yuk")then surely we need to invest in leadership structures and styles that won't produce results within current expectations.

Sarah H

Really interesting analysis here.

I think the answer must be in the training of clergy in the issues of youth work and also the management and development of staff. Unfortunately our training institutions seem woefully inadequate in giving that kind of training.

I think you miss out one vital problem: Clergy don't really know what youth workers ARE. They're not sure if youthworkers are really the SAME as them or different and I don't think that many of the church structures which privilege CLERGY help that.

On a more positive note though.. I think things are getting better. Youthworkers are getting more respect for their own particular ministry without it being viewed as something somehow inferior to adult ministry just because the "clientele" are younger. I still think that ultimately we need to be moving (curiously in a circular way I suppose) to having MINISTERS some of whom are youth specialists and all employed, managed and supported by the central diocese rather than by local churches. That's just me being radical!

Lev

Interesting discussion! Seems to be "clash of expectations" sums up what many feel - the difference between the youthworkers and the churches/senior leaders.
Tim's point is important too - it worries me that younger people who want to go into ministry seem to chose youthwork over ordination or other paths.

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